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walk to emmalin Williams and Steve

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Juicin of the swans UFO network so ice

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Swan Xia a hot spot for UFO activity I

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often get asked that I wouldn't say it's

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a hot spot but because there's a is

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center of population there's more people

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to see things and then for more people

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to report things so before we go cities

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attend let's take a look before we have

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a chat with you because there's so much

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to talk about

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let's take a look at this intro

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so gentlemen first of all thank you so

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much for coming on the show now this is

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such a fascinating sort of subject we

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could talk about it for hours and I was

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now as beside Lee we haven't got hours

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but if we could just start by

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introducing sovereign exactly what it is

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you do with the you call it a network

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that's right yeah yeah my name is Steve

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Jerusalem this is my colleague Jeremy

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Lin Williams

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we've both had a long-standing interest

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in the subject of UFOs all our lives I

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suppose really on Yemen and two years

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ago we didn't even know each other but I

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retired from my work after 30 years work

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I retired so I thought I'd take a bit

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more interest in the subject so as the

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result of that I started to look around

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to see if there was a local club or

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organization or perhaps I could join to

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further my knowledge on the subject so

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looked a few but all of them seemed to

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have closed down so the only way forward

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seemed to be starting our own

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organization going okay so with that in

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mind I started a Facebook page to see

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what they are tentatively to see how

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many people would be interested in the

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the funny part was virtually I think

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there's a following day Emily did

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exactly the same thing which is quite

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coincidental and he started the Facebook

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page on the same subject yes or mine

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contacted me so he closed both the

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Facebook pages and started a new one

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which we had a meet in and eventually

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these things together and decided to

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call it Swansea UFO network so that's

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how the organisation came about okay if

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I could just read this year it says the

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aim of this one's UFO or network is to

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educate streamlet interest and debate

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the subject of UFOs and its many off

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shots so tell us in I mean it's become

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extremely popular isn't it from it could

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you say is because of the TV programs

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which are on today yeah every channel

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yes yeah but but tell us your side of it

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from somebody who doesn't perhaps

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believe if you want to call it that

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worked um well the as I said that the

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reason why we started it is to to meet

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people to get people to come forward we

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got into living witnesses it's just to

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me it's amazed me um how much is going

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on there out there that hasn't been seen

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there like a day publicly why do you

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think that is what's the reason do you

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think behind people are coming for

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a lot of people a bit nervous but they

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with a lot of witnesses don't tend to

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report things because they don't want to

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be ridiculed they don't to be saw

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labeled a nutter

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you know is there still frowned upon

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then in certain areas would you say oh

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it's getting less so I think this is in

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the news there's a lot like this week

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there's a thing about this they found a

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solar system and about seven planets and

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the Goldilocks zone which couldn't

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support life says it like it is a

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drip-feed condition in the population

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that the opening up the idea that there

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is there could be life elsewhere well

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let's talk a little bit more about that

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so NASA have discovered this kind of new

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solar system and they all could be

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earth-like is what they're saying but

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does that not kind of when NASA an

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organization like that kind of given us

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facts does that not kind of go well

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clearly there must be life out there is

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that I don't know I think the general

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opinion for the general public's opinion

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is what they've been given which is that

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nearest habitable planet to earth is

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many many light-years away and

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consequently nobody could reach us

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within a certain period of time but

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that's all you go and buy the technology

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that is available to us at this one

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hasn't time I mean two hundred years ago

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we'd be laughed at but if we thought we

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were sitting in a television studio now

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transmitting to the public

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so I think things have changed we've had

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the discovery of black holes wormholes

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interdimensional travel I think

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scientists are looking to a lot of other

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aspect aliens now and if you'd

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particularly look at the age of the

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universe it's like it's it's more than

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twice the age of the solar system know

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that there's got to be more advanced

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races out there than what we are going

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for millions of years

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so Talisman moving on to is sort of

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certain sightings when is when was the

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last reported sighting here for example

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right one no because they're hazy alien

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has been a great ambassador throw club

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because he is the historian reading he's

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the one who does all the sort of welcome

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science we concentrate on the

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geographical area of South Wales for our

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study okay and the we've read up over

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600 cases now drawn from a variety of

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sources such as

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books magazines newspaper articles from

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the past

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witness testimony people telling us

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face-to-face all sorts of sources put up

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over 600 I think the last one was

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reported in Swansea so last month things

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became but that will be aware of in us

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right something all the time what what

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people see him because I it's weird I've

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got a balcony and I kind of see things

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and and I'm told my friends like no

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that's a weather balloon oh that's Venus

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that's cool anything what are people see

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nobody well the bones exist as a figment

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of people's imagination oh I think we've

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got some some pictures of these things

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yeah right this one was from I think

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July 2012 think Gary woke up in the

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early morning but four o'clock in the

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morning in midsummer saw that yeah the

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sudden I didn't quite come up yet I

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think you can just about see Venus in

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the distance cuz there's pretty precede

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in the Sun and he saw this black object

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just static in the sky they was there

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for about 20 minutes

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see I would have then been told for the

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massive balloon Henry well he was watch

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it was there for a good while okay he

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went off to do something that you're

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this young son I think you better see to

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his son film in the state he came back

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and he was gone and he hadn't moved at

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all while he was looking at it was just

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static in the sky I think there's

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another one he skeptics Recinos a bird

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but a bird wouldn't sort of stay still

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and it didn't even look like a bird this

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here is overcome this again was 2012

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this is January 2012 a woman was out

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walking with a group of people at

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Caswell and she was just going on

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randomly taking shots one off the other

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literally bump shot shot shot on his

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only after she got home she was looking

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through the shots and there was this red

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ball in the sky and he wasn't there in

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the preceding shot he wasn't there in

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wow in the shot afterwards still taking

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the three seconds afterwards on the

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signal so yeah I've got to say time I

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believe in a case oh I'm totally loving

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all this

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a lot of people would say is that a mark

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on the lens is it something which you

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know this you could give a number of

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excuses when she marks her lens it

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would've been there in all the shots

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wouldn't it excites okay yeah so if it

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was a bullet if it was a balloon

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floating by again it's a slow-moving it

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would be there in all the shots just in

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that one shot that is part of our

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investigative work to see if we can

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discount other theories incredibly

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difficult though I think we we

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interviewed a lady in Caswell last year

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and she was quite adamant she saw

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something very very strange but after a

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lot of conversation we managed to put it

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down to her the Chinese learnt and it's

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possibly a Chinese just like looking

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like likelihood of it being the

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challenge so so how do people kind of

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get a hold of you and say I think I've

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seen something I've got a weird image

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what do they then do with it to kind of

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will start the conversation with

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yourself

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um well we've got somebody in our group

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that that's pretty good with computers

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he can visit photographic enhancement

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because quite often somebody will take a

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shot like that last one

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he'll take a shot and they don't see

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anything with the naked eye he was only

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afterwards they noticed something's

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there and it's just by chance they

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managed to catch it you know kind of a

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photo enhancement and brings up what it

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is so if via the Facebook if anyone has

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god yeah Jesus a Facebook we've also got

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a website okay

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ww2 fun SS UFO n dot Cote UK great we'll

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put that on all our social media for our

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people but going back to - how would

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this all started you have you found that

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there's been a rise in a number of

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reports not just in Swansea like you

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said but in in Wales overall do you

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think that that well last year was very

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busy last year we read it over we had

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something like 36 getting off for 40

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cases last year before was a bit less

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than that so it is whether it is fact

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there's more people we get known by more

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people so there's more people coming

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forward and also perhaps the like you

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said the stigma and also people not

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being afraid to come out and talk about

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it because it is taken so that's the

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beauty of a few meetings because we get

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new people coming all the time and found

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out about the organizations whose me and

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they treated almost like in a a meetin

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if you like

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and they feel relaxed and they can open

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up and perhaps they've kept something

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with them for many many years and

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they've able to open up and tell you

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exactly what happened to them and they

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they're not gonna be ridiculed you know

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it's a safe haven for them if they like

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or are things like ancient aliens on

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discovery or history helping people kind

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of realize oh it's not just me is a

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thing that's kind of being documented

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better now those programs out watch but

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people who have got have an interest in

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the subject anyway so but that helps

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yeah also you find that people will see

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something in the sky or have an

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experience themselves and they would

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start the interest that's going

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somewhere thank very much we're gonna

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